Wednesday, April 15, 2015

Kiene's Fair

Just wanted to let everyone know I will be at the Kiene's American Fly Fishing Company this saturday with the Cast Hope Booth as well as helping with the Simms Booth. 

Tuesday, April 7, 2015

Been a while sense my last blog post…been very busy with all sorts of things in my life, so been a bit lax on updating. Spring is here one week and winter is here the next right now. Last week was gorgeous even when the wind was ripping and this weekend in the cold weather and today a nice storm moved in though it will be back in the low 70s by the end of the week. I have spent a lot of time on the water recently so I will start with some reports…

Lower Sacramento Trout – March is by far one of the best months on the Lower Sac. I have been fishing between Anderson and Jelly’s ferry mainly but did spend one day floating from Posse Grounds to Bonnie View. Fishing has been good to very good with LOTS of opportunities each day to hook fish. On some days the grabs have been very quick so hooking up can be a challenge others they seem to jump on the fly and the molasses I am dazing off watching birds hook set can get it done. Best bugs have been rubber legs, Hogan’s Amigo in Brown, Hogan’s March Madness Nymph, RK Flutulator in March Brown, #18 Amber Wing Prince, #18 Dark Lord, and a few other small mayfly type patterns. Clarity could be an issue with the recent rain as it rained pretty hard in a short amount of time but I am sure it will clear shortly if it is colored up.
Lower Sac Trout
Lower Sac Trout
Lower Sac Trout

Lower Sacramento River Bass – I spent one day out exploring some spots for Largemouth and Smallmouth bass and it still seems a bit early. Water temps in the river are 57-59 and back in the sloughs the water temps barely get over 60 so with a window of 55-65 degrees to kick spawning in it should be any time. I fish sub surface pretty hard and found a few willing fish but no one on beds or looking like they were looking to spawn. Who knows though as the river is a tough one to figure out.

Lower Yuba River – I continue to hear that fishing has been really good with great dry fly fishing but I continue to stay away with flows around 550cfs. The word on the street is that flows will come up to 1500cfs in May some time so as the Lower Sac is traditionally tough in May I will spend most of my trout days on the Lower Yuba.

Lower Feather – Spring Steelhead -  Fishing remains consistent for adult and half pound spring run steelhead. The recent rains should help move any fish that have been waiting up river. Swinging flies and drifting nymphs have been catching fish about as equally well. The giant spring caddis have started to hatch and swing flies on floating lines and intermediate tips along with fishing dry flies should get going through April.

Not bad for the first fish of the morning.
Nice Spring Steelhead from the Feather
Trout Season – Opens here soon…a few weeks away. Fishing should be good early this year on most trout water. I will most likely get up to the NF Feather with in the first few weeks to get my licks in up there as with the drought fishing is going to be tough ounce the water warms up. I would say the best advice is go early this year. Don’t wait to long to get your trout days in as this summer is going to be a tough one for trout fishing in the mountains.

…That said spring and summer striper fishing is going to be GOOD with limited interruptions from run off the stripers will be active and fishing should be good May-September. Low water means good weeds and great bait for our resident and migratory fish. Book early this year as dates are already getting taken up.

Music Report – I have been all over the place lately…kinda on one of my Pandora kicks, listening to all my random stations on Pandora…my favorites are my Lucero Channel, Chuck Ragan Channel, and Ryan Adams Channel…… Gas Light Anthem Channel is good one to. I haven’t really bought any new Albums in awhile either even though I have listened to a ton of stuff on I Tunes looking for something to buy just haven’t pulled the trigger….

NEWS FLASH – I am really excited to announce that I have signed on with Spy Optics as an Ambassador/Pro. Spy has a long history in the surf, motor-cross, snowboard, skate, rally car, etc…with goggles and eye wear and they are getting into and developing lenses and glasses for fishing. They have signed myself and my good friend Conway Bowman from Bowman Bluewater in San Diego to help develop a fishing line of glasses. I have been working with a bunch of proto types of lens tints and have a bunch of new pairs of glasses for clients to wear in the boat. The thing I am most impressed with so far is no matter how dark the tint of the lense Spy has developed the ability to maintain true color penetration – meaning that everything stays true to its color, so changes in water color that indicate depth or the color of a bug all remain true no matter how dark the tint of the lenses…pretty cool. It is really fun to work with a company on the ground level to develop a specific fishing line of glasses. Check out spy at and make sure to watch their video below on “Happy Lenses”


I will be at the Fisherman Spot in Van Nuys, CA this weekend, April 11 and 12th, in Southern California presenting both Saturday on “Northern California Stripers, Bass, and Shad on the Lower Sacramento River outside of Chico” and on Sunday I will be working the Simms Fishing Products booth and then presenting on “Northern California Tailwater Trout and Steelhead”  - Check out for more information and full slate of presentations and events…

come one come all
I will have the Cast Hope booth at the Kiene’s Expo on April 18th promoting what Cast Hope is doing in the Sacramento Area. The booth will be set up next to the Simms Fishing Products booth. Come one come all Nor Cal for free BBQ, new products, and raffles. Plus great conversation with me and anyone else hanging around the Cast Hope/Simms Booth.

Sports Report…I am so excited for the start of baseball season. The giants looks good last night in the opener but starting pitching is going to be a questions going forward. With Cain and Peavy skipping starts with health issues I get concerned. That said the top of the order looked great last night and Brandon Crawford came through in the bottom of the line up…Casey McGehee looked decent in his debut though he missed a ball to his back hand down the line that I have seen Pablo snag MANY times. That said he followed that up with a 6-4-3 double play so what ever and Pablo when 0-5 with 3K’s and Casey went 2-3…so far so good. Only 161 games left…

Friday, March 13, 2015

My conversion to "Flash Light Epoxy"...and the retiring of my epoxy wheel and dusty baker tooth pick holder bobblehead.

So I have been a little late…like a few years or so late…to as I have called it, the “flash light epoxy” party. I have had my reasons…when I look in a fly shop, online, in a catalog, or any other retailer I have NO IDEA what I need to buy nor do I want to pay what a flash light and what amounts to epoxy costs. I don’t know what I want…thick, thin, brush on application, squeeze bottle, magnum light….I have followed the basic if it ain’t broke don’t fix it, we don’t leave fish to find fish, and what works works mantras.

My epoxy turner and 2.99 tubes of 5 minute epoxy from Lowes work just fine…I have a stack of 3x5 cards and toothpicks to mix and apply it and put my flies on the wheel ounce done. I actually have the whole process down to a science for the most part…a beautifully efficient and coordinated dance…I may be a little enamored with myself or have a self inflated opinion of my epoxy application to over glorified craft materials on hooks but the bottom line is I had a good program working.

Finally after seeing enough posts on Instagram and Facebook of REALLY COOL bait fish patterns with these supper clean built up epoxy heads and realizing that ounce again water is going to be low this year and I am going to have to fish some light lines and light flies for stripers on the river I broke down and said “I gotta figure this out”…cause I am going to be straight up here…when I apply epoxy to my clousers they look fine, just as good as any “flash light epoxy” thing…when I try to build up a epoxy head 9 times out of 10 they look like crap and get hung on the wall as “decoration” or as “gifts” to my son, and even my 6year old looks at a few of them as “ya dad uhhh I might never ever fish that…but I’ll take it anyway….even though at 6years old I can tie one that looks WAY better”

So, I got in touch with my buddy Matt Callies who works for Loon…Now there are a few of companies that make this “flash light epoxy” stuff but I know Matt and I felt completely comfortable admitting that I am a complete neophyte and still in the stone age using expoxy so I hit him up. That and Loon is the leader in consciously produced fishing products…like floatant that dosen’t leave an oil slick in the water coming of your dry fly, so I felt pretty sure that the stuff wouldn’t cause chemical burns, the light wouldn’t burn out my eye balls, or the fumes wouldn’t poison my children.

Matt is not only an AMAZING and INCREDIBLY innovative fly tier…and in my opinion very under appreciated and recognized…he is very good at teaching complex fly tying in a simple straight forward manner. He basically told me I need the Loon UV Clear Fly Finish thick and think …..there was two bottles of stuff I needed “thick” for head build up and “thin” for like epoxy heads, backs, and thin layer stuff and of course a light…get the big one he said…the MAGNUM. If there is a magnum size offered why would I buy any less right.
Flash Light Epoxy...I am a convert...and yes that is a Dusty Baker tooth pick holder bubblehead in the background that has become very insignificant now.
So I tried the Loon UV Clear Fly Finish thick this morning for the first time. I had tied up some small baitfish patterns to fish for small and largemouth bass on the river next week and figured this was a good time to try the stuff out. My “epoxy build up head” fly repertoire is pretty limited and most of my baitfish flies have lead eyes. The flies I decided to try the Loon UV Clear Fly Finish thick on were just basic glue some stick on eyes and build up a head around it flies…pretty simple stuff. I can happily report that all the flies I have deemed fishable and went into to one of my boat boxes to be fished. The process was pretty simple, squeeze bottle in one hand light in the other and lay down some goop, hit it with the light, lay down a bit more, and hit it with the light until I got the head I wanted. This seemed to be the easiest and cleanest way to do it…I tried laying down all the goop at ounce and then hitting it with the light and that worked, but the material shifted a bit as I laid more and more down on the head …I liked the lay a bit down, hit it with the light, lay more down, hit it with the light better, this approach created a more uniform head.

Not a bad first batch...not perfect but fishable

Baby bass...aka striper food 

Baby bass...aka bigger bass food size
My deduction is that I am going to use this stuff a lot more and realistically tie many more flies that have epoxy heads vs. lead eyes as now it is MUCH easier and much more efficient. I think that will open up some new fishing opportunities for me as over the last few years I have really started fishing shallower water and submerged weed beds on the Sac for stripers with a lot of luck with a fairly limited fly selection. I will try the Loon UV Clear Fly Finish thick and think on a bunch more stuff…mayfly/stonefly backs, my clousers, and a few bass flies I am sure. I’ll get some more pictures up as I work with this stuff. Old Dog learned new Trick.

Thursday, March 5, 2015

Reports, Baseball, not much else...fewer words but same value.

So, rain seems to allude Nor Cal but the mountains got some snow last weekend which is much needed. I just pulled up the month long forecast on Accuweather and it does forecast some coming storms in the coming 2 weeks…that would be very nice. That said this weekend and next wee we will see highs in the Mid 70’s…beautiful weather for March! This weather is definatley getting fishing going in many areas! Here is what is going on and what is coming up!

Lower Yuba River is fishing good. I have not been on the river much but have talked to Ryan Johnston, Jon Baiocchi, and Dave Barbieri who have and the fishing is good. There have been plenty of march browns around and fish are CHOWING on the nymphs…Ryan J who helps me develop and fish many of my flies said the March Madness Nymph was working really really well out there. I know Kienes Fly Shop in Sacramento will be getting some of the first shipments of these flies from Montana Fly Co. so give them a call and order some if you want to give them a try. Dave B said that the dry fly fishing and nymph fishing have been all good basicly the fish are on the feed again…which means go out and fish how you want. That is the beauty of the Yuba when the fish are eating there is a lot of ways to catch them. Fishing should only get better through March and April, especially if we get some Rain!

Lower Sacramento River Trout – Fishing has been good just a bit weird. River is fishable and clarity is about 2-3 feet but fish are not keying on the bugs yet. Caddis, Baetis and a few March
Nice Lower Sac March Trout
Browns are out but all fish are eating is eggs…kinda weird to be honest. Fishing should only improve over the month of march as the fish get on the Caddis, March Brown, and PMD hatches.

Great size spring run fish

Lower Feather Spring Steelhead – there are fair numbers of spring steelhead in the feather river right now and nymphing and swung fly fishing is catching a few. I prefer to swing flies on light spey/switch rods and with warmer weather the fish are getting grabby. The Month of March and April will see the bulk of spring half pounders and adults move up into the river.


Stripers – No reports of pushes of migratory stripers moving up through Colusa but with the water clearing and temperatures warming resident fish are getting active. March and April are great months for migratory and resident fish before the shad show up.

Shad – should be a nother good year for shad with the lower flows…may will be here soon so get your shad fishing planned.

Full Days Open:
April 19
May 2, 3, 16, 23-25, 30
June 6-18, 22, 25-30
July 1, 2, 6-10, 12, 14, 17-23
August 4-9, 15, 16, 22, 23, 29, 30
Evening Dates for Shad and Bass on the Lower Sac
April 14-16, 21-24, 27-30
May 4-7, 14-15, 18, 19, 21, 22-25, 26, 28, 29
June 1-4, 6-18

Sports Report: So two cames into spring training and the best looking pitcher so far…Tim Lincecum. He looked GOOD coming after Mad Bum gave up 1.2ip, 5h, and 4r. Peavy wasn’t much better yesterday either though his line would of looked a lot better if Adrianza hadn’t booted a double play ball…What ever though it is 2 spring training games in and I am just happy to have baseball back on the radio each day, Murph and Mac talking to Kruik and Kipper each morning on my drive to work, and Baggs writing a column to read every morning…Vogie takes the mound today against the, ounce again, revamped cubs so should be interesting to see how that goes. Crawford and Romo have sore shoulders but should be OK…I am really waiting for the debut of Cain in a week or so…I love baseball!

Fly Update: Many of my new and revisions of old patterns are shipping out in the next few weeks to dealers that ordered them for March Ship dates. Locally I know Kiene’s Fly Shop will have some in the Sacramento Area and available for order I am sure if you call.  Toll Free (USA):+1 (800) 400-0359

If you local shop does not have new flies like the Amigo, March Madness, Spring Creek Geek and others ASK for them! They can always place fill in orders or add them to existing pre seasons possibly!

CAST HOPE Fly fishing Show After Party!
Thanks to all that came out to support cast hope at the after party event or stopped by the Cast Hope booth at The Fly Fishing Show – The even was great and we raised a good amount of money for Cast Hope! So Thank you to all that supported the event. We will be hosting an after party next year as well so if you didn’t make it this year make sure you make plans for next year as the event will continue to grow!

Wednesday, February 18, 2015

Cast Hope Event, Reports, Upcoming fishing, Light to moderate Alcohol consumption, and sports reports

Yes we need rain but gosh the weather has been beautiful...we need rain so bad and the weather has been so nice I have felt guilty enjoying the weather as I know its needs to be miserable with rain. That said there is no sense fighting or worrying about things we can't control, like the weather...though I worry anyway.

CAST HOPE: Beer, Sliders, and Wings at the Pub! 
Cast Hope is hosting an "After Party" on Saturday Feb 21 at Handles Gastro Pub in Old Town Pleasanton (855 Main St. Pleasanton) from 4-8pm after The Fly Fishing Show this weekend. Tickets are $20 and $10 with Fly Fishing Show ticket stub. This includes food and more Beer than you can drink and legally operate machinery or an automobile. 

There will be AN AMAZING raffle and silent auction with some ridiculously cool stuff! Cast Hope will have a booth at the Show and be selling tickets there so stop by and see us and hope to see everyone at the event! 

For more information, to bid on an item online, or buy raffle tickets (you need not be present at the event to win) visit the web site HERE

Nice Yuba 18"er from this weekend

Lower Yuba RiverSpent the last 4 days or so on the Lower Yuba River guiding clients. Fishing was fair to good depending on the day it seemed and the mood of the fish. Water clarity is about 2' with a nice green tint and flows are at 750cfs. Fish seemed to be podded up, atleast actively feeding fish, and working a run that has fish in it I found to be the key. Our "grabs" came all at ounce in certain runs and then not at all for a while. Bug activity was pretty good but really mixed MANY different types of mayflies were out...a few march browns, PMD's, Baeits, Brown Drakes...and I am sure some more I didn't know. Skwalas are about done as the ones I did see were spent on the water after laying eggs and I did not see any in the rocks. I also saw a decent number of caddis and fish eating the caddis at times. They are the small early spring tan body dark winged caddis, like a number #16...For flies I couldn't find any pattern day to day or even throughout the day. Fish were caught on march brown nymphs, baetis nymphs, olive caddis pupa, red copper johns, rubber legs, and a few different egg patterns. I switched patterns up ALOT trying to find a pattern and the pattern seem to be there was none, seemed more important to find feeding and willing fish. Dry fly fishing was poor on most days I think based on the clarity but we did get a few fish to bump a low riding skwala pattern. Tried fishing caddis and mayfly dries with no luck, that said I never did find consistently rising fishing just typical yuba one and done fish. 

Upcoming Fishing
Hard to forecast much with regards to fishing as so much of it is water dependent but here is a try...

Lower Yuba River: Fishing should stay fair to good throughout the spring but really how things go depends on if we get some rain. Low Flows (below 1000cfs) are brutal on the Yuba as the fish see a TON of pressure so the fish can get pretty moody.

Lower Sacramento River Trout: Clarity is the issue here and as long as we get the rain we need that will remain an issue as the lake muddies up. That said from what I have heard clarity is getting better on the upper river, but that is a double edge sword as better clarity will mean we are not getting the rain we need. March is usually one of the best months of the year to fish the Lower Sac so we will see...

Lower Feather Spring Steelhead: March through mid May is best out here and this is going to be a good year hopefully if water conditions can improve a bit. Swinging flies is my method of choice out here on the switch rods as I have found over the last 3 years these fish will eat a swung fly just as well as they will a nymph on most days.

Striper, Shad, and Bass: Spring is prime bass time and the shad should be right around the corner from that as well as the migratory and resident striper fishing. This fishing is probably the easiest to predict as flows on the Sac are going to be stable and low most of the spring and summer no matter what we get for water as dams and pumps will be working over time hold or store what ever water we get...Clarity can be an issue but with stripers clarity is not much of an issue in my opinion, Shad clarity can be an issue and bass on the rivers clarity is a mild concern.
- Shad fishing will kick into gear early to mid May and last through mid June
- Migratory striper fishing will kick into gear mid March through Mid May
- Resident striper fishing can kick into gear Mid march but mid June through september is prime time.

Open Dates:
May 2, 3, 9, 16, 17, 23-25,
June 6-18, 22, 25-30,
July 1, 6-12, 14-24
August 4-9, 15, 16, 22, 23, 29, 30

Sports News...
Such a great time of year! I got the recruiting issue of Blue and Gold Magazine with all the news on the Notre Dame recruits and impending quarterback controversy/competition between Golson and Zaire...Going to be a great spring practice and game this year. I am not sure who I am pulling for I think the 6-0, last second loss to Fl St. Golson can lead us to the playoffs but the 22 turnovers Golson of the last half of the season that made me want to jump of the hey 20 bridge could kill me if I have to watch another season of that...Zaire is a stud and runs like a horse but it is very clear from what I have seen he doesn't have the arm or knowledge of the Offense that Golson does .... I don't I just want to win and not watch us throw games away like we did ALL second half of last season. 
Two Great things...beginning of baseball and spring football at ND

Also in sporting news TODAY IS THE DAY! pitchers and catchers report for the SF Giants and our World Series Defending season....I know nothing really happens for a few weeks and spring training games are really not the regular season but atleast I can read, listen to talk about, and follow baseball again. The NBA makes me sick and college basketball is fun and I follow ND basketball, who is tearing it up this season, I just can't get into basketball like I do baseball. I have no predictions about the giants this year as my mantra is "Trust in Bochy"...I am curious though to see how Pagan, Cain, Timmy, Hudson, Vogie, Belt, Panik and SO many other players show other news looks like Pablo showed up in shape to boston camp...

designated hitter written all over that physique
Light to Moderate Alcohol Consumption I have quite drinking for the most part. No beer. Way to many calories and in my quest to loose weight I can't do it...beers are like potato chips, I can't have just one...not like I am going to throw back a 6 pack every night but I could have a nice IPA or 3 every night or so if I let myself as I LOVE good beer. That said I did get a few nice bottles of scotch over the holidays and I have let me self enjoy ONE glass or small sniffer of these a few times over the last few months. Macallan 12 and Four Roses are the two I have been enjoying the most...Four Roses is a new one to me and was a gift from a good friend. It is REALLY GOOD! 

Thursday, February 5, 2015

Storm, Rock and Roll, and Haymakers Punch.

Here comes the storm…
So the storm is coming today and in some areas it may already be here. We need the rain bad and it seems funny how this year we may get our water and snow pack in big storms not steady medium to small storms…what ever I’ll take what we can get. Here some reports and what is coming up…
 Lower Yuba River – I have been on the Lower Yuba River a lot lately. Flows have been as low as I have ever seen for a while now, 550cfs. Fishing has been tough but rewarding. Low and clear flows create  challenging fishing, but I will say the fish we are catching are good quality fish. Most days we are nymphing, fishing dry flies, and swinging flies with some success. With the low flows I have been getting out of the boat a lot wade fishing runs before I put the boat down them then fishing the deeper water out of the boat. Fish have been in most of the runs, but I would say they are in water that provides cover and food. Deep runs, which there at not a ton of at 550cfs, and up in the fast water in the buckets is where I have been seeing most of the fish caught. 
Great swing water at 550cfs on the Lower Yuba
Hatches have been decent but inconsistent. On warmer days there are a few skwalas out and about and most days I see a few fish eating them with big splashy rises. Most days if an angler wants to commit to fishing skwala dries they will rise a few fish. The most consistent dry fly fishing has been the Baeits and Brown Drake hatches in the slicks. In various areas fish will consistently come up and feed on duns, cripples, and emergers but they are about as picky and spooky as it comes. 6-7x is mandatory on a long 12’ plus leader on an down stream presentation. I put a pod of fish down the other day by slowly hand lining my anchor down about 60-80’ away from them …tough fish. 
Best nymphs have been small, size #16 and smaller mayfly nymphs have been best. That said I have caught a few fish on bigger attractor nymphs and rubber legs but not many. The best skwala dries have been one with a nice low profile and I think finding a willing fish is more important then the pattern. I have had some decent luck with fish eating mayflies by dropping a no bead no flash #16-18 PT off the back of a hackle stacker. 
The coming storm should add some flows as Deer Creek will most likely blow out and this will add some color to the river. I imagine the river will fish really good with some color and additional flows but I imagine the river will drop and clear pretty quick without consistent rain. 
Lower Sacramento River Trout – A buddy of mine guided the Lower Sac for 3 days last weekend from Posse Grounds down to Balls Ferry fishing was poor to fair. Clarity got better the farther down river as the Lake is still blown out. That said he did get around 10-15 fish one day which isn’t bad but it is not great for this time of year on the Lower Sac. I imagine this big storm coming in is going to put the river back to square one though as it will blow out the lake more, all the tribs, and muddy everything up again for a while…not looking good for trout fishing in March which is one of the best months of the year on the Lower Sac. 

Lower Sacramento River Striper – For winter striper fishing it has been fair. The fish are around and we have been averaging a few opportunities a day with a few largemouth and smallmouth mixed in. Most fish are good fish but it is obvious that the 55degree water still has the fish a bit lethargic as grabs are not very aggressive and many fish come unbuttoned pretty easy. The hatchery released the yearly salmon smolt Tuesday so with any high water over the next few days should push those fish down river and get the resident stripers keyed up over the next few weeks. Clarity has not been much of an issue down out of chico as by the time the river gets down here it clears enough to feel confident the fish are seeing your flies. Striper and bass fishing is going to be one of the more consistent fishing I think over the next few months. 
Chuck searching for stripers
Rock and Roll Report – One of the best bands I have found in the last year is American Aquirium…The CD Burn, Flicker, Die has been in steady rotation for awhile now. This CD is great…they went into record it with Jason Isbell as their swan song. Record the songs and be DONE! And the Cd has that finality and intensity. They kept going though and their new CD Wolves that just came out this week is an amazing “at piece” type of album, at piece with their lifestyle choice, carreer, and their place in music. Both albums are ones that I put on and listen to from start to finish, no bad songs. 
I also started both my boys in music lessons…building the family band. Beckett has been pounding it out on the drums and Ollie has been learning “Smoke on the Water” and the “Spy Hunter” theme…good stuff. Been watching some sweet Deep Purple and Jimi Hendrix videos on You Tube which is pretty fun. 
Just a few gigs away from the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
Fitness report replacing the booze news – Still working on eating healthy and running, I have made a deal with myself that if I get to my goal weight I get some new ink…that said I refuse to start looking at, or thinking about drawing up what I want until I am consistently at my goal weight…that said I did have to buy  5 new pairs of pants as many of my old ones don’t fit so that was rewarding. 
Home Brew Switchel

I also am completely into brewing and drinking Switchel or “Haymakers Punch”…my buddy Chuck shared his home brew with me on a fishing trip and I am completely addicted to this stuff. Part of it is the historical significane of it being the original gatorade but I won't lie it is really refreshing and tastes good. Also I won't like it is kinda cool brewing something and putting it in mason jars.
Sports Report - Sucks to be Pete Carol or a sea hawks fan...that said who cares pitchers and catchers report in roughly two weeks and national signing day was yesterday so baseball and college football talk is all I care about. Notre Dames class did not get the normal top 10 ranking, but 13 is nothing to bat an eye at. I think a lot of it is they went Offensive and Defensive line heavy. They did land a few nice WR and a TE that I think might make somes contributions in the next year or two. Big question with ND is who is going to play QB. 

Giants...lets just get the gloves, spikes, and bats and start playing. Need to see who shows up and what they got to really have any opinion at this point. Cain, Lincecum, Mad Bum, Pagan, Belt, what are we gonna get out of these guys. I did get a nice all weather wifi speaker so all game time guide trips will come with a free radio broadcast of the days game via the MLB package on my cell phone...Free with Purchase of guide trip, no extra fee! if you are a fan of another team you still will listen to my team, sorry.